{"id":237,"date":"2022-08-29T14:09:17","date_gmt":"2022-08-29T12:09:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.4diskursa.net\/?p=237"},"modified":"2023-10-30T15:10:41","modified_gmt":"2023-10-30T14:10:41","slug":"lacan-mi-i-realno-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.4diskursa.net\/?p=237","title":{"rendered":"Marx uz Freuda &#8211; dijalektika odnosa \u017eudnje i jouissancea"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"LACAN, NOUS ET LE R\u00c9EL-4-Christian Dubuis Santini -25\/06\/2016-Multi-Sub.\" width=\"769\" height=\"433\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/u0LKorvyStE?start=2&#038;feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" allowfullscreen src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" data-load-mode=\"1\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sastanak zapo\u010dinje poja\u0161njenjem transpozicije Realnog spolne razlike s individualne na kolektivnu razinu, razinu klasne borbe na primjeru koji je ponudio Claude L\u00e9vi-Strauss u &#8220;Strukturalnoj antropologiji&#8221; &#8211; onom plemena Winnebago i dvije suprotstavljene koncepcije formacije sela. O iluziji objektivnog pogleda: Realno kao minimum jaza koji odvaja dvije koncepcije stvarnosti.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">U \u010demu se sastoji radikalnost frojdovske subverzije? &#8220;Stvarnost&#8221; nije ono \u0161to konstituira razlog za na\u0161e potiskivanje &#8211; ona jest na\u0161e &#8220;potisnuto&#8221;. \u010citanje Marxa uz Freuda, ali u distinkciji prema frojdovskom marksizmu Frankfurtske \u0161kole: o nemogu\u0107nosti revolucije bez revolucije subjekta. Kapitalisti\u010dki diskurs i <em>jouissance<\/em> &#8211; iluzornost ra\u010dunanja s &#8220;vi\u0161kom u\u017eitka&#8221;. O dijalektici odnosa \u017eudnje i jouissancea &#8211; \u0161to je do\u0161lo prije?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Kako se <em>jouissance<\/em> civilizira? Prelazak <em>jouissancea<\/em> na govor kroz djetetovo hvatanje za maj\u010dinske ozna\u010ditelje &#8211; jezik kolonizira tijelo, ali uvijek uz ostatak, <em>objet petit a<\/em>, \u010dime se otvara mogu\u0107nost \u017eudnje kao odvoda za taj <em>jouissance<\/em>. Ostatak &#8211; ono \u0161to jezik ne mo\u017ee zahvatiti, \u0161to pru\u017ea otpor &#8211; je trag onoga \u0161to Lacan zove &#8220;fali\u010dkim <em>jouissanceom<\/em>&#8220;. &#8220;Spolna razlika&#8221; &#8211; neizreciva, jer je upravo \u010dine dva tipa odnosa prema jeziku, ozna\u010deni Lacanovim formulama seksuacije (kao u slu\u010daju plemena Winnebago).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Jouissance<\/em> &#8211; gdje ugoda prelazi u neugodu. Diskusija odnosa koncepta <em>jouissancea<\/em> prema Freudovoj teoriji. Je li frojdovsko na\u010delo ugode suprotstavljeno na\u010delu stvarnosti? Freudov nagon smrti kao ono \u0161to daje protute\u017eu ugodi, &#8220;s onu stranu&#8221; na\u010dela ugode: Za\u0161to \u010dinimo stvari protiv svojih izravnih interesa? Freudov primjer dje\u010dje igre <em>fort\/da<\/em> i Lacanova interpretacija: oscilacija izme\u0111u subjekta \u017eudnje koji se ra\u0111a iz odsutnosti majke i subjekta (pod\u010dinjenog) <em>jouissanceu<\/em>. <em>Jouissance<\/em> i \u017eudnja kao eksces i manjak nikada ne koincidiraju, ne ispunjavaju jedno drugo, jer su dvije strane iste ravnine &#8211; topologija M\u00f6biusove trake. O psihoanaliti\u010dkoj intervenciji &#8211; \u0161to sa simptomom? Za\u0161to se ne mo\u017ee intervenirati izravno nad <em>jouissanceom<\/em>, ve\u0107 samo nad \u017eudnjom? Lacanova dijalektika odnosa <em>jouissancea<\/em> i \u017eudnje &#8211; za subjekta \u017eudnje, \u017eudnja je tu od samog po\u010detka, jer je primordijalni <em>jouissance<\/em> naknadno rekonstruiran kroz govor kao njena nu\u017ena logi\u010dka pretpostavka.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Lacan kao \u010ditatelj Marxa &#8211; mogu\u0107nost promi\u0161ljanja individualne dimenzije: subjekt bez supstancije\/ podijeljeni subjekt. Ubla\u017eavanje izostanka dru\u0161tvenih veza danas: la\u017eni osje\u0107aji pripadanja istoj zajednici (npr. kod sportskih utakmica, masovnog pra\u0107enja televizijske emisije i sl.). Obnova dru\u0161tvenih veza kao izazov psihoanalize.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">O suo\u010davanju sa svojim Realnim: dijalektika subjekta i istine u registrima Realnog, Simboli\u010dkog i Imaginarnog. Doticanje Realnog i pojava tjeskobe &#8211; manjka manjka. O suo\u010davanju s &#8220;prljavom vodom&#8221; svog <em>jouissancea<\/em>. \u0160to je istina? Paradoksi jezika: Jezik u sr\u017ei la\u017ee, jer dolazi zamijeniti ne\u0161to \u0161to cilja, a ne mo\u017ee doku\u010diti. <em>Semblant<\/em> u trostrukoj ulozi &#8211; la\u017ei\/ mjesta ulaska istine\/ mogu\u0107nosti pristupa Realnom.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Fantazija: okvir, \u010dep za rupu Realnog &#8211; ono \u0161to uvjetuje pristup \u017eudnji. Realno kao minimalna razlika izme\u0111u razli\u010ditih <em>Weltanschauungs<\/em>, razli\u010ditih svjetonazora (dakle, fantazija) &#8211; imaginarnost konkurencije me\u0111u bi\u0107ima. O iluziji objektivnosti u znanosti i drugdje. &#8220;Kad jaganjci utihnu&#8221; i Hannibal Lecter kao filmski imaginarni predstavnik lakanovskog psihoanaliti\u010dara.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sastanak zapo\u010dinje poja\u0161njenjem transpozicije Realnog spolne razlike s individualne na kolektivnu razinu, razinu klasne borbe na primjeru koji je ponudio Claude L\u00e9vi-Strauss u &#8220;Strukturalnoj antropologiji&#8221; &#8211; onom plemena Winnebago i dvije suprotstavljene koncepcije formacije sela. 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